Yes, I will be interested to read the materials too. Thank you in advance for sharing. Thank you, Daniel, also for sharing your views. I did a search on the internet and TJC's establishment is mostly dated to 1917 and Paul Wei is the initiator. Do you know why?
As you can see, several members are interested and asking for the other articles to be posted. I have attempted to put up the links to these document on this site, but without any success. Can you please arrange to do so asap. If necessary I can send you the copy of these documents that I have collected.
Thank you 一滴水 and Daniel for posting the articles. I have not finished the second book but just like to say that as a truth seeker, it is troubling to read about the lies in a true church, especially when I read from this forum that the church began with full of innocence. Where is the love for truth? When I ask around, I am told that we are not in a position to judge and to know who is right or wrong in those times. God will judge. Is that so? Can the church make judgments on all other churches then?
Yes, what's past is past. It is good that these books are made available. May I know if the church agree with the findings of Zhang Shitou?
感謝主.若有這些史料.不僅可以讓我們知道歷史.也可學習前輩的犧牲奉獻精神.小子所說歷史大多由謝長老上課時聽來.近代魏家的事多由網路得知.小子也並非批判.而是懷疑張長老真會為個人是開創者名份而叛教嗎?有傳道說張長老是被'作掉的'.在當年就厘不清的問題.只有交給主了!
Yes, I will be interested to read the materials too. Thank you in advance for sharing. Thank you, Daniel, also for sharing your views. I did a search on the internet and TJC's establishment is mostly dated to 1917 and Paul Wei is the initiator. Do you know why?
Dear Daniel,
As you can see, several members are interested and asking for the other articles to be posted. I have attempted to put up the links to these document on this site, but without any success. Can you please arrange to do so asap. If necessary I can send you the copy of these documents that I have collected.
God bless,
一滴水
Thank you 一滴水 and Daniel for posting the articles. I have not finished the second book but just like to say that as a truth seeker, it is troubling to read about the lies in a true church, especially when I read from this forum that the church began with full of innocence. Where is the love for truth? When I ask around, I am told that we are not in a position to judge and to know who is right or wrong in those times. God will judge. Is that so? Can the church make judgments on all other churches then?
Yes, what's past is past. It is good that these books are made available. May I know if the church agree with the findings of Zhang Shitou?
我不知道教會有沒有正式的接受張石頭所編撰的這本歷史記,我猜想教會很可能是不會正式和公開的接受,但是我相信教會的書藏裡可以找到它。
我猜想教會很可能不會正式和公開的接受這本史記,是因為在史記裡提到倒張巴拿巴是一個陰謀,陰謀的成員包括有早期台灣教會聖工,在此只提一個例子為證,這是摘自史記的第二部:
。。。『教會不靖,起於黃以利沙,郭多馬,張撤加,高路加等人,對巴拿巴的不滿,繼之以合謀打倒,其不滿的真正原因,是他們認為有巴拿巴在,不能暢所欲為,甚至終而見棄,代之以他人,他們諸般反張言論,多係「欲加之罪」,近乎漫罵,但也不自覺的,宣示了他們的惶恐,郭多馬在「南北合一」大會中說:「…到第二次大會,在長沙,仍用張巴拿巴一人名義召集的,第三次亦然,彼時大多數人信仰目標,乃集途在個人身上,至開第四次大會,總部已經成立了,故公函是用總部名義召集,自此個人不得擅權獨斷,將一切權限,都移到總部上去,各地代表,也是聽從總部,不是信仰個人,我們所擁護的,是全體,不是擁護什麼人,因有主耶穌在會中為王了,我們若有這種真認識,就知道順服總部,就是順服耶穌了」(總部十週年,一百面)。
這番言論,已托出他們的心聲,早在五次臨時大會,明目反張以前,他們已經在聖靈報上,陸續發表了倒張言論,由於教會分裂,是本會史上的一件大事,我必須有清楚的交代,因此我摘出數段,可以窺出他們反張的真正意向。』 。。。(下冊第一章)
相信教會可能還會藏有此書的理由是在不少後來的文章,有提到教會歷史的偶爾也會提起或參考到這本書。下面的 Link 銜接到台總文宣王惠姬編撰的 "真耶穌教會名稱起源析論",在這篇文章裡 就有提起和參考了這本史記。
http://www.facejesus.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=496:2010-09-29-03-45-53&catid=34:article-lecture-chn--&Itemid=59
過去的是是非非已成過去,讀史記並不是要找證據來評判人,人的對和錯,自有神來審判。
讀史記是要更了解教會,有錯的信仰若還沒有更正,就要即刻更正,有錯的作為若還沒有改過,就要馬上改過。若還是繼續糊塗下去,真金也會變成黃銅了。
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